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Topic: Unreasonable buyer! Watch out! Need help!

Posted on: 28th Jul 2009 8:36 PM    Quote and Reply

If anybody remembers me, I was selling a scott plasma tri bike about 2-3 weeks ago, one member on togoparts replied to my post and this was what happened in sms… I was selling for my friend as we were both quite new to this and quite blur too…. We both quite young, studying… supposed to get a bit of commission from d extra cash that was due but I don’t think would be getting it now…. L quite long but pls read as I think I got SCAMMED!!! Need help!!!

 

Me (7/11):

hi. r u interested in d scott? in looking for quick deal, cash n carry. willing to let go. pls reply asap, got quite a few interested viewers too. viewing earliest on monday 7-8pm.

 

Him (7/11):

Any chance to view it tmr? Wats d lowest price for immediate deal? Where to view? I can do it anytime

 

Me (7/11):

Only free monday evening. Immediate cash n carry for 2.5k. Interested?

 

Me (7/12):

So r u interested?

 

Him (7/12):

Im looking at another bike tmr. Wil let u kw how it works out.

 

Me (7/12):

K no prob. Btw what bike u looking at?

 

Him (7/12):

Another almost new high end bike. Owner being repatriated. Selling 50% after only 3 mths

 

Me (7/12):

Brand n components? Im guessing its a kuota?

 

Me (7/12):

U interested?

 

Me (7/12):

Hi?

 

Called him on d phone and we struck up a quite complicated deal, his idea was that he would pay me $2000 upon viewing d bike and would either pay d difference (another $500-$700, depending on d offers made) or return d bike for $2000 if it doesn’t fit him. He also said that he would hardly use d bike as he has tons at home n that he would “share” it with me n etc… I believed him as this was my first time selling and was very gullible…. Pls read on..

 

Him (7/12):

I hv nt seen d other bike. Wil view it tis aftn. Any chance to view yrs today? In case d other seller wants me to commit rite away

 

Me (7/12):

Ok. I just talked to my friend. He say 2200 lowest.... N now im not even earning $1, I think get $0.10 only =(... Cos u say will like leave d bike at my house.... Pls try to commit.... Thanks.

 

Me (7/12):

Pls reply asap. Have to revert back to my friend. Thanks

 

Him (7/12):

Im hving lunch miting. Cant talk nw. Tell yr fren $1.8k. He can buy back frm me same price anytime after 2 weeks if he can find some1 paying higher. Tis way, gd for every1. Cos if i like d bike, i wil pay him d extra dif between 1.8 n d higher offer

 

Me (7/12):

I actually got some offers at 2.5-2.2k. Got a guy prepared to put down money already but I pai seh as u ask first n u seem friendier.... N 1.8 he definitely say no, I can assure u.

 

Him (7/12):

Tats why i said to try 1.8k. Give him some excuse tat buyer short of $ now. But tat buyer wil return him d bike or pay extra after 2 wks. Tis way, u, me n d seller all win. Its nt tat he wil only 1.8k. He may get d bike back or extra $ after 2 wks

 

Me (7/12):

Yeah but he won't trust u right? I mean unless u pass him ur ic? Why im not saying that I don't trust u, its just a bit uncertain...

 

Him (7/12):

No prob, i can let him take down my ic. Let me tell u why tis wil b d best way for tis deal. Yr fren seems urgent to sell his bike. For me, i already hv enuf bikes. Jus want to try it out. Its nt tat i MUST have it. He gets his money 1st n u n i get to try tis bike. If he can find some1 else to buy d bike at a higher price, i either give him back d bike or pay d extra amt

 

Me (7/12):

Haha. K. N u better rush if u want to get it, cos somebody just contacted me n is willing to view at 2500, so... Unless u can pay d difference I think my friend would rather go for d other deal, n I get to keep some commission too... Hehe...

 

Him (7/12):

Tat wil b perfect. U help me get it for 1.8k n we try out d bike for 2 wks. Then i decide to pay d dif n keep d bike or return it. Both ways u stil get to earn yr comm. So is it a deal?

 

Me (7/12):

Yeah but if u decide to return it n there r no more interested buyers then how?+6598530870 (7/12):

No, i dun get to decide to return it. Only if he finds another buyer than he tells me to pay him d dif in price or return d bike

 

Me (7/12):

But he sort of has found another buyer at 2500 already right? N I think d lowest lowest just to be safe price he would let it go is 2000. I asked him.

 

Me (7/12):

So 2000 can as a base price?

 

Him (7/12):

Ok, when can view d bike?

 

Me (7/12):

Tomorrow at 7 would be d earliest.

 

Him (7/12):

K, so wat u do nw is to tell other buyers tat d seller is overseas n viewing can onli b done after 2 wks

 

Him (7/12):

So is tis arrangement confirm?

 

Me (7/12):

Haha. Ok. So if after two weeks what happens?

 

Him (7/12):

After 2 wks if there is another offer of higher price, seller ask me to return d bike or pay d dif.

 

Me (7/12):

If im not wrong it would be pay d diff...

 

Me (7/12):

Easier n less complicated.

 

Him (7/12):

Yep. Win-win-win situation

 

Me (7/12):

But I don quite understand, what's d difference with paying it whole now n paying 2000 now n 500 later?

 

Me (7/12):

It maybe even more later?

 

Him (7/12):

In case d bike dun fit me or someting else. As long as some1 else willing to pay higher price, then i either keep d bike or rtn it for him to sell higher price. Cant talk nw. Busy wif biz to make more $ : )

 

Me (7/12):

Haha. K. N can it be 1 week instead?

 

Me (7/12):

So 1 week can? Need to inform my friend n d other buyers.

 

Him (7/12):

Im bz. I hope we dun change d terms further. 2 wks wil give u time to find more buyers n for u n i to try d bike longer. Cant talk anymore

 

Me (7/12):

K k. Confirm tomorrow to buy d bike at 2000. After 2 weeks then confirm to pay extra if can fit.

 

Me (7/12):

Time 7pm.

 

Him (7/12):

K, cya tmr

 

Me (7/12):

K.

 

Me (7/12):

Wow suddenly got 2 more ppl want to get it at 2500.... =( haiz... Putting me in a spot.... Nvm....

 

Me (7/12):

Never mind, hopefully u will like d bike n pay d balance after two weeks....

 

Me (7/12):

??

 

Him (7/12):

I told u our deal is win for all. U n i get to try d bike n yr fren gets his price. The deal is alr cfm. My advice is nt to b anymore greedy

 

Me (7/12):

Haha. But im not so keen on using d bike as I already have my own, n im scared to use d tri position as I fell down once b4 using my cousin bike, bad scar up till today, if I had gotten d bike, I would have changed it to normal road drop bars.... Its just to get d best price... A bit greedy, I agree.... But then..... But we r still sticking to d 2 weeks thing right?

 

Him (7/12):

Yes, once agreed, we shld nt change terms anymore. I probably wil change d handle bars as i dun like tri position too. Then we wil get to njoy d bike

 

Me (7/12):

Ok ok... Was just saying only.. N gd that u changing d bars... Anyway what would u do with d handlebar extensions? Can pass to me? Hehe.... It compliments my bike....

 

Me (7/12):

N forgot something... I can't go out cycling until my o levels r over.... Parents rules..... =(

 

Him (7/12):

Sure u can keep d bars. As for yr studies, tats v imp. Do well for yr exams n u may get a nice reward frm yr parents or me. Haha

 

Me (7/12):

Lol. Anyway results come out in january 2010.....

 

+6598530870 (7/12):

No hardcore cycling bt occasional test rides shld b okay : )

 

Me (7/12):

Test rides as in how long? My parents very very serious bout no cycling.... =( n if tomorrow can uninstall d aerobars n pass to me immediately? Cos I need an excuse to go out.... =(

 

+6598530870 (7/12):

Jus tell yr mum n dad u r helping yr frem to sell a bike n u wil get comm

 

Me (7/12):

Haha... Im not supposed to be doing any thing to do with bikes... N they will also ask for d commission, to show them n will ask how much n all.... So can uninstall? U have any spare drop bars n sti at home?

 

Me (7/12):

??

 

+6598530870 (7/12):

Im hving dinner. We talk tmr

 

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Posted on: 28th Jul 2009 8:38 PM    Quote and Reply


continued....

 

Me (7/12):

K.

 

+6598530870 (7/13):

Wats d exact model of d scott? I may get a new handle bar today

 

Me (7/13):

Scott cr1 plasma team. N can meet earlier? 5-6?

 

+6598530870 (7/13):

Sure, 5pm

 

Me (7/13):

K. N when u buying d handlebar?

 

+6598530870 (7/13):

Bz nw. Discuss wif u later

 

Me (7/13):

K k.

 

Me (7/13):

N later as in when we meet?

 

Me (7/13):

Pls come at 5:30. 5 is a bit too rush.

 

Me (7/13):

5:30 can?

 

Him (7/13):

K

 

Me (7/13):

Thanks.

 

Me (7/18):

Hi so is d bike ok?

 

+6598530870 (7/18):

Im in HK. Back mid week

 

Me (7/23):

U back yet?

 

+6598530870 (7/23):

In shanghai now. Back tis wkend

 

Me (7/23):

K I tot was midweek

 

Me (7/23):

Call u sun morn?

 

Me (7/25):

Reply asap!

 

Me (7/26):

R u back?

 

Me (7/26):

?!?

 

Me (7/26):

Pls reply!!

 

Me (7/26):

Reply!!!

 

Me (7/27):

Oi! Pls reply!!!

 

Me (7/27):

Hi! 2 weeks up already!!!!! Pls reply to my sms!!! Pls don't scam me!!!!

 

Called him and was able to get it out of him that he would try d bike in mid week as he haven’t try it yet, but I was still very anxious as he kept brushing me off during d call and felt very irritated although he was d one breaking his own terms. So, I smsed him to confirm:

 

Me (7/27):

If can pls make up ur mind about d bike asap!! My friend thought we already made a deal that in two weeks time n I don't know why but he suddenly needs d money VERY VERY URGENTLY!! Btw we have found buyers ranging from 2.8k to 3.2k..... Pls reply if u got this message, thanks!

 

Me (7/27):

PLS REPLY IF U RECEIVED N READ!! THANKS!!

 

Him (8:54 PM):

Go tell yr fren im not doing charity work. I hv not even ride on d bike at all as im busy wif work. When u needed d money, u asked me to pay immediately. Now u want me to make up my mind even wifout me testing d bike. U tell yr fren if he wants d bike immediately, then bring $4k n i wil return d bike to him. Dun give me crap abt ppl wanting to buy d bike at $3.2k. They can buy it brand new at tat price. I wil return d bike at my own time if i feel like it. I hv no time for yr nonsense so stop bothering me

 

Me (9:32 PM):

We had a deal that in TWO weeks time u would decide, I trusted u enough to not even ask u to sign anything, if im not wrong d deal was that by two weeks u would decide if U would keep d bike, n pay d difference of another buyer OR return it and I would pay u back 2k! How in the world did u come up with 4k?!?! If U won't pay d diff then I would gladly take the bike back and sell it to the person willing to pay 3.2k. N what do u mean by MY NONSENSE?!?! U are d one who made this deal n I as d seller accepted willingly. U are supposed to go by ur own terms pls!! Quote ur message "Im bz. I hope we dun change d terms further. 2 wks wil give u time to find more buyers n for u n i to try d bike longer. Cant talk anymore" do u remember now?

 

Me (9:36 PM):

Or how about this message "(7/12):In case d bike dun fit me or someting else. As long as some1 else willing to pay higher price, then i either keep d bike or rtn it for him to sell higher price. Cant talk nw. Busy wif biz to make more $ : )" pls follow ur own terms.... U said that not me, n what's with "I wil return d bike at my own time if i feel like it." that's not fair to me... N I didn't even set d date!!!!

 

Me (9:47 PM):

Btw it is not that I need d money, it is that d supposed deciding day is today, so all im saying is pls stick to ur own terms. N pls try to try d bike by this friday n get back to me asap!

 

Him (9:55 PM):

For d last time dun tell me wat to do. I wil return d bike when i feel its time for me to do so. If u or yr fren r not happy, u r welcome to report me to d police or get a lawyer to sue me. I wont ans u any further

 

End of messaging, gave up sms as he did not reply anymore but tried calling him too, he also did not answer his phone. WHO IS IN D WRONG? CAN SOMEONE PLS HELP ME! I know I was gullible n etc, but then, this is my first time doing this and I was shocked! Btw are all buyers n sellers in togoparts like that? Cos this is really a very very bad eye opener for me! HELP!! P.s. I only believed him as he sounded like a kind person, like a fatherly figure so I didn’t ask him for ic or etc, really stupid but I found it unnecessary at that time, believed his bull shit about sharing d bike n etc n that was d main reason why I actually sold it to him and not other buyers…..  

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Posted on: 28th Jul 2009 8:55 PM    Quote and Reply


hope u've learnt a lesson here.

not to be sarcastic, but how can u trust a person over sms? u're facing the whole wide world here, and it could be anyone...

not everyone in Togoparts is like that, but these 'bad' people will take their shot when they can. to them, as long as they have the chance to make a profit, u bet they'll try this way and that way. to these people. no need to talk abt ethics.

and actually, if u have no proof (something solid in the eyes of the law), u have no protection at all...

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Posted on: 28th Jul 2009 8:56 PM    Quote and Reply


Just make a police report lar.  Nothing much you can do. 

Just tell the police, you loan him the bike on a deposit and now he refuses to return the bike.

Loan and Sell is a totally different stand even though there's monetary transaction.
These people like to play with the laws.  Just remember your stand, you are loaning him the bike and not selling.

Gullible?  I think you are greedy.

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Posted on: 28th Jul 2009 8:56 PM    Quote and Reply


oh....u trusted the wrong person...noticed u used words like 'fatherly' etc? u got hooked, and got cheated

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Posted on: 28th Jul 2009 9:20 PM    Quote and Reply


As seller himself admitted... he was naive in the selling process.  But also lacked a bit of common sense.   From a quick glance through of the initial SMS, he was the one chasing after the buyer....     if someone is serious about buying, they will contact you.  No point chasing after everyone who sms you.    Just not that effective and made him seem more desparate, hence could be lowballed.

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Posted on: 28th Jul 2009 10:03 PM    Quote and Reply


Quote:
"Formerly posted by hojc82:

hope u've learnt a lesson here.

not to be sarcastic, but how can u trust a person over sms? u're facing the whole wide world here, and it could be anyone...

not everyone in Togoparts is like that, but these 'bad' people will take their shot when they can. to them, as long as they have the chance to make a profit, u bet they'll try this way and that way. to these people. no need to talk abt ethics.

and actually, if u have no proof (something solid in the eyes of the law), u have no protection at all...

"

hmmm... but im still dam sad n pissed at these kind of ppl.... actually forgot to add he is a dam sick minded and shrewd business man, so i think i was dam stupid.... haiz... what to do... 

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Posted on: 28th Jul 2009 10:09 PM    Quote and Reply


Quote:
"Formerly posted by Finn:

Just make a police report lar.  Nothing much you can do. 

Just tell the police, you loan him the bike on a deposit and now he refuses to return the bike.

Loan and Sell is a totally different stand even though there's monetary transaction.
These people like to play with the laws.  Just remember your stand, you are loaning him the bike and not selling.

Gullible?  I think you are greedy.

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police report? ai yo, u forgot ah... im only 15... how to make police report, make also police think im playing prank or something.... 

ok will take ur point on d loan n sell thing, hope it would help.

actually both, gullible and greedy... i actually sold it to him cos he sounded like a nice guy on d phone and i just decided to sell to him as he seemed quite trustworthy... 

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Posted on: 28th Jul 2009 10:10 PM    Quote and Reply


Quote:
"Formerly posted by hojc82: oh....u trusted the wrong person...noticed u used words like 'fatherly' etc? u got hooked, and got cheated
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hook, line and sinker.... haiz...crying now.... 

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Posted on: 28th Jul 2009 10:10 PM    Quote and Reply


I don't see the need to 'chase' after this dude when you have significantly higher offers, why make your life harder for lesser $?

You appeared desperate for someone who has 'lots of offer' for the bike you're selling.

I don't know how credible is your info and yes, you do lack certain common sense, gulliable is just an excuse, nothing personal.



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Posted on: 28th Jul 2009 10:12 PM    Quote and Reply


crankiest - the way you BS from the beginning about how other people want to buy the bike at a higher price, but willing to let him hold it at lower price etc etc..   you really need to understand the particular markets that you're dealing in, otherwise your own credibility goes down the drain and people won't be as inclined to treat you nicely.   

It's not even clear cut that he has scammed you, fyi.  So take a step back, and examine all the rationale for your decision making at each stage of the process and see objectively (if possible) whether you actually have grounds to be peeved.

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