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Topic: Need some advice for first road bike

Posted on: 11th Aug 2016 9:41 PM    Quote and Reply


Hey, sorry to be using this post. But anybody has experience with polygon bicycle? Have been trying to look for reviews online but don't seem to be able to find much reliable information. They have been providng many value for money bicylces so was wondering whether there is any compromise in frames? Anybody can provide useful information on the Polygon helios A series? Looking at their value for money carbon A8 with full ultegra groupset.

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Posted on: 11th Aug 2016 9:43 PM    Quote and Reply


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"Formerly posted by CJL98: Hey, sorry to be using this post. But anybody has experience with polygon bicycle? Have been trying to look for reviews online but don't seem to be able to find much reliable information. They have been providng many value for money bicylces so was wondering whether there is any compromise in frames? Anybody can provide useful information on the Polygon helios A series? Looking at their value for money carbon A8 with full ultegra groupset."


Hey cjl,  I called rodalink and apparently they do not bring in the A series.  Just the C series sadly.  U might want to call to double confirm too.  Good luck! 

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Posted on: 12th Aug 2016 8:31 AM    Quote and Reply


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"Formerly posted by CJL98: Hey, sorry to be using this post. But anybody has experience with polygon bicycle? Have been trying to look for reviews online but don't seem to be able to find much reliable information. They have been providng many value for money bicylces so was wondering whether there is any compromise in frames? Anybody can provide useful information on the Polygon helios A series? Looking at their value for money carbon A8 with full ultegra groupset."

Guess it's just coz of made in Indonesia and the save of overheads via the online mode.

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Posted on: 12th Aug 2016 8:50 AM    Quote and Reply


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"Formerly posted by CJL98: Hey, sorry to be using this post. But anybody has experience with polygon bicycle? Have been trying to look for reviews online but don't seem to be able to find much reliable information. They have been providng many value for money bicylces so was wondering whether there is any compromise in frames? Anybody can provide useful information on the Polygon helios A series? Looking at their value for money carbon A8 with full ultegra groupset."


But do note that buying from a bike shop doesn't mean you're spending more money for nothing. You do expect quite many free adjustment of drive trains, discount on assesories and services.

Do a check on the warranty terms for the frames. Big brands like Specialised and Cannondale offer life-time warranty, I'm not sure for Giant but I assume they do as well.




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Posted on: 12th Aug 2016 9:30 AM    Quote and Reply


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Thank you for the length explanation and various choices listed above. My general forecasted usage would be mostly on flats around sg roads and the average mileage should range from 40-70km per trip (thats if i take into consideration the group that I would be joining in with my friend in it).

I doubt I will be into serious cycing e.g taking part in competitions, I would just be cycling for leisure and making new friends but at the same time want to be good at it as well.

As of now Im unsure if difference in frame weight e.g Giant TCR vs TCR SLR would play a huge role in my cycling experience, so far only got to test ride the CAAD 10 from cannondale and thoroughly enjoyed that ride as compared to the Merida Hybrid I was previously riding.

As for my current list of bikes under consideration, I have a few lingering considerations for each model:

1) Giant TCR 1 - This costs 1.25k w/ Tiagras , at my current level it should suffice but its hard to tell how much i would be losing out if i get this frame as compared to lets say the TCR SLR frame w/ 105's. This pricing fits well within my original intended budget to. Fit is good on this.

2) Giant TCR SLR2 - This costs 1.8k w/ 105's and i can definitely feel the weight difference as compared to the TCR 1 just by carrying it, however I did not have the opportunity to test ride both Bikes as Tay Cycle does not provide the option of test rides. Fit is good on this as it was on the TCR 1.

3) Giant Propel SLR 2 - This costs 1.8k w/ 105's for the 2016 model, geometry wise as you said it definitely feels a little bit more aggressive but not to the point where i feel significantly less comfortable than I feel on the TCR geometry. Design wise this sort of ties w/ the TCR SLR 2. Not to mention their almost similar weights.

4) Cannondale CAAD 10 - This is on discount at 2.1k w/ 105's. I had the opportunity to test ride it and it was a blast. Frame fit and design are up to my taste as well, however the extra $300 premium makes it hard to justify over an equally capable Giant TCR SLR 2 and Giant Propel SLR 2 interms of Specs. As for ride compared to the above mentioned Giants, its a pity i did not get to ride the Giants to have a better comparison.

5) Merida Scultura 400 - This costs around 1.5k sgd, while it presents itself as the better value to the Giant mostly, the spec sheet shows it doesnt run full 105 components, also the design language isnt right up to my taste, however fit is definitely not an issue here. The 200-300$ in savings here is what it has going for it though.

6) Here comes the Canyons, now i can get an Ultimate Al SLX 9.0 Alu Frame w/ Ultegras for $USD1409 or their Ultimate CF SL7.0 Carbon Frame w/ 105's for $USD1499. Fit wise I cannot comment as I can only rely on the Canyon Online fitter to determine the appropriate frame size for me. As for the actual Bike fit itself I have an experienced friend who would be able to do it for me. Design is pretty much the best looking one to me out of all the bikes listed above. When converting the currency to SGD, their prices are approximately 2.4-2.5k SGD which is way above my initial budget. 

The canyons seem to have way lighter frames than all the above mentioned bikes, if budget allows I would surely go for either the Alu or Carbon Canyons, however that decision lies on the "financial gods" at home (:

I apologise for the lenghty post above, those are just my thoughts on each of the individual bikes I am considering. As this is a pretty huge investment from my side, I would want to make sure I make a decision I would not regret. Assuming I wouldnt have the budget for the Canyons, Im pretty much spoilt for choice between options #1-5 hahaha . Appreciate any advice I could get on this!

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I will chime in with my 2 cents. The best bike for you is the bike you feel most comfortable riding on. Sure, a good fit can be obtained by visiting a decent bike fitter, but there are fundamental differences between aero, climbing and endurance bike frames.

For the vast majority of riders, an endurance frame or climbing frame works best, due to the more forgiving nature of the geometry. If you are comfortable, you will be able to put out more power for longer periods of time.

Aero bikes are nice, stiff and low. Maybe too stiff and low for most weekend warriors. I have a number of friends who are very strong riders and have multiple bikes. They end up using their endurance bikes most of the time for everything.

Very often we let our egos get in the way, and disregard the fact that 99% of riders will never be able to exceed the capability of the bike.

On the weight topic... seriously... 500g to 1kg has ABSOLUTELY no impact on the roads around here, unless you are climbing the Alps or Wuling at Taiwan. The poo you did not take in the morning already weighs a few hundred grams. I'd advice against going the path of a weight weenie. This does nothing but lighten your wallet.

On components... difference between Tiagra and 105 is minimum. I'd say this is more than enough for most riders. Ultegra is nice, but not necessary. DA is good for the ego.

On your shortlist... you won't go wrong with the TCRs or Caad 10. I'd avoid the Propel as aero bikes is not for everyone. Canyon is nice, but unless you are absolutely sure of the sizing, avoid it as well.

For reference, I use a BMC SL01 with 105 parts, and stock heavy Mavic Aksium wheels. Typical loadout includes 2 tubes, C02 and 4 water bottles. Have used this setup for all training rides including 2 full distance ironman events, and never felt hindered. So don't let anyone tell you that you need a top end lightweight bike.

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Posted on: 12th Aug 2016 8:05 PM    Quote and Reply


The Giant tcr SLR2 is aluminium right? Why aren't you not considering the TCR advance 3? the price is 1.8k if i am not wrong and it is a carbon road bike as compared to the SLR which is aluminium.

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Posted on: 12th Aug 2016 8:09 PM    Quote and Reply


 

I will chime in with my 2 cents. The best bike for you is the bike you feel most comfortable riding on. Sure, a good fit can be obtained by visiting a decent bike fitter, but there are fundamental differences between aero, climbing and endurance bike frames.

For the vast majority of riders, an endurance frame or climbing frame works best, due to the more forgiving nature of the geometry. If you are comfortable, you will be able to put out more power for longer periods of time.

Aero bikes are nice, stiff and low. Maybe too stiff and low for most weekend warriors. I have a number of friends who are very strong riders and have multiple bikes. They end up using their endurance bikes most of the time for everything.

Very often we let our egos get in the way, and disregard the fact that 99% of riders will never be able to exceed the capability of the bike.

On the weight topic... seriously... 500g to 1kg has ABSOLUTELY no impact on the roads around here, unless you are climbing the Alps or Wuling at Taiwan. The poo you did not take in the morning already weighs a few hundred grams. I'd advice against going the path of a weight weenie. This does nothing but lighten your wallet.

On components... difference between Tiagra and 105 is minimum. I'd say this is more than enough for most riders. Ultegra is nice, but not necessary. DA is good for the ego.

On your shortlist... you won't go wrong with the TCRs or Caad 10. I'd avoid the Propel as aero bikes is not for everyone. Canyon is nice, but unless you are absolutely sure of the sizing, avoid it as well.

For reference, I use a BMC SL01 with 105 parts, and stock heavy Mavic Aksium wheels. Typical loadout includes 2 tubes, C02 and 4 water bottles. Have used this setup for all training rides including 2 full distance ironman events, and never felt hindered. So don't let anyone tell you that you need a top end lightweight bike.

Thanks for the advice on the aero bikes,  I think I'll just stick to traditional frame geometry then,  maybe next time when I'm a more seasoned rider who can better understand my personal limits or needs then I would consider going for aero frames.  For now,  ill take some time to decide on the design which I like more between the tcr and caad 10 before making my purchase.  Cheers!  

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Posted on: 12th Aug 2016 8:10 PM    Quote and Reply


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"Formerly posted by CJL98: The Giant tcr SLR2 is aluminium right? Why aren't you not considering the TCR advance 3? the price is 1.8k if i am not wrong and it is a carbon road bike as compared to the SLR which is aluminium."


I've considered that before, however I'm not a big fan of its paint job tbh :P it's a carbon frame but doesn't give me the vibes that the alu tcr and caad 10 does!  

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Posted on: 12th Aug 2016 11:07 PM    Quote and Reply



I've considered that before, however I'm not a big fan of its paint job tbh :P it's a carbon frame but doesn't give me the vibes that the alu tcr and caad 10 does!  
 
Hey, if you are ever able to test ride the merida scultura 400 can you help compare the ride to the CAAD10 and Giant tcr SLR ? would really appreciate it

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Posted on: 13th Aug 2016 12:18 AM    Quote and Reply


Hi all, I thought I'd chime in as I faced a similar dilemma with the TS.

I was looking for a first road bike with a budget of about $1.5k.

I went to Tay Cycle, and the boss there suggested a Giant Defy 1, with 105 components, for $1.8k. I loved the look of the frame, but they did not allow test rides so I did not seriously consider buying the bike. 

I tried a Polygon C5 with 105 groupset going for $1599 and a Trek Emonda ALR 4 (Tiagra) going for $1.7k. In the end, I decided on the Trek even though it had the lower componentry spec as the bike felt much better to ride. It felt lighter and stiffer and the geometry was more comfortable. Even though on paper the Polygon was better value for money, the test ride really helped me come to a decision.


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